Comments on: Scanning for Feedback

By: bisho

bisho — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:20:48 +0000

I also like the idea of some Wireless networks being present all the time, even if they are not there. Perhaps a “pinning” list like new Tomboy (http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/images/applet-small.png) could help to display always your more often used networks, and you could force the connection to one of them before scanning is finished.

By: Federico Mena

Federico Mena — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:01:13 +0000

I totally want this “scanning for networks” icon.

Also, could we clarify what the icons next to the signal-strength bars mean? I have absolutely no idea what they mean, other than the “locked” icon which probably means “you cannot use this network”.

By: Peter

Peter — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:34:39 +0000

Nice icon indeed. I would basically keep the normal icon and add this one on top or next to it.
I see myself scanning with my eyes through the taskbar for the NM icon I am used to, and if my eyes don’t find it, that would probably make me re-scan the icons again.
So just add this nice image to the existing one somehow ™? Just my opinion. What do others think?

Peter

By: Jon Pritchard

Jon Pritchard — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:47:00 +0000

Definitely makes sense. I like your icons actually. The lack of feedback in the usage scenario you present, has made me angry a few times, especially since it liked to fail on connecting so much. Visual indicator of the wireless card scanning would be much appreciated.

By: fatal

fatal — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:09:06 +0000

Could we have some kind of spinning icon next to the “Scanning for new networks” to attract some attention as well maybe? Noticing that there’s work in progress is imho always a bit easier if there’s some motion….

By: Matteo Zandi

Matteo Zandi — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:02:17 +0000

+1 user definitley needs to be informed when NM is scanning

NetworkManager is just great!

Matteo

By: Wouter Bolsterlee

Wouter Bolsterlee — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:46:17 +0000

While we’re at it: please merge the left click menu and the right click menu. It’s very confusing since the “master switches” are in the right click menu and the network list is in the left click menu. Furthermore, to enable/disable a network the right click menu is used, and to enable a VPN connection the left click menu has to be used.

Keep up the good work; and please improve the menu interface (mumble something about beers

By: Greg K Nicholson

Greg K Nicholson — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:55:21 +0000

How about replacing the red “not found” overlay on the two-screen icon with another, static, overlay? A magnifying glass might work as “searching”, although it usually means “search” (as an imperative); I think a “reloading” symbol (probably the usual cycle of arrows) would work best, either static or animated. Personally, I’d have no problem with animation, particularly if it’s only a few-pixel overlay moving.

By: Bryan Clark

Bryan Clark — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:21:07 +0000

Jay: NM is naturally going to scan for networks whenever it wakes up, however I can understand what you’re saying. You know where you are, it should just find it fast. I bet there are some tricks that could be done to make the scan find your APs faster. For instance if NM told the wireless card to search the channels / essids you connect to most first instead of going in numerical order you might get some speed up in finding your networks again.

Jon: You’re right! If the animation was subtle enough it might make sense, especially combined with what other are talking about using the [x] with the wireless icon to show that wireless is on but hasn’t found anything and has stopped scanning.

Thanks Steven! It’s one of my major complaints as well.

Karsten: good point about the tooltips as well!

anon: The applet list is supposed to update as NM finds new networks. This is often a problem with drivers when you get a list populated at once instead of incrementally.

Steven: Give that icon a try! Your work could only be better than mine

By: Steven Brown

Steven Brown — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:34:10 +0000

I think the ‘searching’ icon should be consistent with other search metaphors within the desktop. It could use something like the first icon, but instead of a red X, have a magnifying glass that circles around the area.

By: anonymous

anonymous — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:28:30 +0000

Would it be possible for the network-manager applet to update the list of available networks one network at a time while network-manager is still scanning? Populating the list as networks are discovered would give the impression that something is happening.

By: David Corrales

David Corrales — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:18:14 +0000

Sounds like a great idea. In fact, I’ve been bothered a long time now with not being able to tell, just by looking at an icon, if my wireless is on or off.
To save battery, I turn my wireless on/off depending on where I am, and right now, I have to open a terminal and type “iwconfig” just to see if the radio is on. A scanning button would at least let me know about my nic’s status.

By: Karsten Wade

Karsten Wade — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:17:03 +0000

+1 to what you are thinking; feedback is definitely a key to the few things that ails NM.

One feature I use is the status bubble that appears when the mouse arrow hovers over nm-applet. It is always refreshing the signal strength and seems faster or to show more subtlety than the stacked bars. I use it when I am trying to find the best place to sit or position to face for maxium signal strength. I can hover the mouse and watch the % update in real time as I move the laptop around for a better signal.

That hovering dialog would be a good place to display more information:

“Scanning for networks”

“Found previous network ‘Foo’, attaching …”

“Scanning for networks with >20% strength”

Again, from my experience, this hovering dialog is faster at refreshing than the fully opened nm-applet, so it is more useful for getting up-to-date information from the NetworkManager daemon.

By: ubuntu

ubuntu — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:09:46 +0000

I think the icon also needs to signify its still not connected to a network, still keep the red X on the bottom right. I think having the computer there with the radio waves slightly pulsating to signify activity would work perfectly there.

By: Steven Garrity

Steven Garrity — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:06:17 +0000

This makes great sense, Bryan. My primary issue with NetworkManager (which generally works well for me) so far is that there is no visual difference between “I’m looking for networks, give me a minute”, and “I’m done looking for networks, there are none”.

Nice work.

By: Jon Cooper

Jon Cooper — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:26:18 +0000

I wouldn’t be offended by a slightly pulsating orb at the top of the radio tower… in fact I think it would be more discoverable – subtle animation will suggest activity, while the icon itself will represent a scan of sorts.

By: Jay Huie

Jay Huie — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:16:42 +0000

Bryan,
I like the icon change but also think I’d like the ability to tell NM some information to make it more efficient. i.e. if I’m at home I’m always going to connect to my AP and so I don’t really want it to scan…

I know that it will auto connect to the known network but what often happens is that it doesn’t realize I’m at home yet, and I obviously know I’m there, so I feel the need to “tell it”, because I’m naturally impatient and don’t want to wait 30-60 seconds for it to realize my AP’s there.

I’m not sure how to solve that, or how it would change from a UI perspective, but I think if I had the option to do something dreaded like; right-click on NM and get a history list of access points, then I could just tell it straight away which to authenticate to, then I’d feel like both it and I were making the best use of our time together.