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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jon Kåre Hellan</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4733</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Kåre Hellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was more closely involved with a political party in Norway a few years ago, contributions were anonymous. Nobody on the  financing committee held elected office, and nobody outside the financing committee knew who the donors were.

Sounds like a good system to me, provided, of course, that the nobody cheated and told the elected politicians where the money came from.

I suppose that's why the system was abandoned, and larger contributions now must be disclosed in Norway as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was more closely involved with a political party in Norway a few years ago, contributions were anonymous. Nobody on the  financing committee held elected office, and nobody outside the financing committee knew who the donors were.</p>
<p>Sounds like a good system to me, provided, of course, that the nobody cheated and told the elected politicians where the money came from.</p>
<p>I suppose that&#8217;s why the system was abandoned, and larger contributions now must be disclosed in Norway as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Friedman</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4731</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that my contributions were public information when I made them, and I'm glad this information is public.

@SW: What about spending your own money to promote a candidate?  Is that corruption too?  And what's the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that my contributions were public information when I made them, and I&#8217;m glad this information is public.</p>
<p>@SW: What about spending your own money to promote a candidate?  Is that corruption too?  And what&#8217;s the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Reitter</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4730</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Reitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My immediate feeling was the same as Alex's - that it *feels* like exposing something private. Of course, as other commentators have pointed out, this is, and more importantly, *should* be public knowledge.

And I'm also interested to see the consequences of integrating and analyzing the data (semi-)publicly available in Facebook, MySpace, LiveJournal, etc. There are certainly bound to be some interesting surprises (especially for the people who don't realize exactly how public their voluntarily- and involuntarily-contributed information is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My immediate feeling was the same as Alex&#8217;s - that it *feels* like exposing something private. Of course, as other commentators have pointed out, this is, and more importantly, *should* be public knowledge.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m also interested to see the consequences of integrating and analyzing the data (semi-)publicly available in Facebook, MySpace, LiveJournal, etc. There are certainly bound to be some interesting surprises (especially for the people who don&#8217;t realize exactly how public their voluntarily- and involuntarily-contributed information is).</p>
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		<title>By: emory taylor</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4729</link>
		<dc:creator>emory taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also speaking as a trained economist, i'm shocked that people are shocked by robert love's donation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also speaking as a trained economist, i&#8217;m shocked that people are shocked by robert love&#8217;s donation!</p>
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		<title>By: emory taylor</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4728</link>
		<dc:creator>emory taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's funny to think that pro transparency people when it comes to source code suddenly feel violated when public donations to public campaigns are made ... public? Everyone who donates to these campaigns knows that it can be traced and if you really want to keep it a secret you can donate to a group that doesn't have the transparency rules. There are some public domain things that i think most people outside of stalkers would feel bad looking up, but public money like this certainly shouldn't be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s funny to think that pro transparency people when it comes to source code suddenly feel violated when public donations to public campaigns are made &#8230; public? Everyone who donates to these campaigns knows that it can be traced and if you really want to keep it a secret you can donate to a group that doesn&#8217;t have the transparency rules. There are some public domain things that i think most people outside of stalkers would feel bad looking up, but public money like this certainly shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
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		<title>By: ERU</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4727</link>
		<dc:creator>ERU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must agree with Alex. The fact this information is available does not make this post okay. There are many acts that are immoral but based on public information. Also uproar over the Facebook Friend Feed. Compilation and processing add value, but the big issue is why call these people out? A set of three is a small set to work off. And while Miguel is very political, Nat and Robert are not. Nat obviously raised money for Obama but he never blogs on politics. And Robert blogs on economics not politics. (I thought he liked Obama from his posts?) This truly leaves me uncomfortable and seems to serve no purpose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree with Alex. The fact this information is available does not make this post okay. There are many acts that are immoral but based on public information. Also uproar over the Facebook Friend Feed. Compilation and processing add value, but the big issue is why call these people out? A set of three is a small set to work off. And while Miguel is very political, Nat and Robert are not. Nat obviously raised money for Obama but he never blogs on politics. And Robert blogs on economics not politics. (I thought he liked Obama from his posts?) This truly leaves me uncomfortable and seems to serve no purpose&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel de Icaza</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4726</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel de Icaza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd, my contribution to Kucinich is not showing up.

But also I should have matched Nat now, with the full contribution to Obama.  It should show up in the next refresh.

Am glad that this information is not private, the point of having this information public is to avoid some billionaire to over-fund a particular candidate, everyone is limited to 2,300.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd, my contribution to Kucinich is not showing up.</p>
<p>But also I should have matched Nat now, with the full contribution to Obama.  It should show up in the next refresh.</p>
<p>Am glad that this information is not private, the point of having this information public is to avoid some billionaire to over-fund a particular candidate, everyone is limited to 2,300.</p>
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		<title>By: SW</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4725</link>
		<dc:creator>SW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American elections truly suck.  Where I come from, giving politicians money with the intention of affecting the outcome of an election is known as "corruption".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American elections truly suck.  Where I come from, giving politicians money with the intention of affecting the outcome of an election is known as &#8220;corruption&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4724</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me be the first to say that calling out the contributions of individuals in a blog post feels questionable, and makes me kinda queasy. It almost feels like a violation of privacy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The principle of a private ballot of one man, one vote requires privacy because all men have an equal weight in the vote. Where each man can spend arbitrary amounts of money to influence the outcome of a campaign, it would be totally inappropriate to allow their donations to be kept secret.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Robert Love try to be as neutral as possible&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is not an accurate statement. Robert Love has been forthright in his personal opinions and attitudes, and has been abundantly clear in what drives his vote. His contribution isn't at all surprising.

 - Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let me be the first to say that calling out the contributions of individuals in a blog post feels questionable, and makes me kinda queasy. It almost feels like a violation of privacy.</p></blockquote>
<p>The principle of a private ballot of one man, one vote requires privacy because all men have an equal weight in the vote. Where each man can spend arbitrary amounts of money to influence the outcome of a campaign, it would be totally inappropriate to allow their donations to be kept secret.</p>
<blockquote><p>Robert Love try to be as neutral as possible</p></blockquote>
<p>This is not an accurate statement. Robert Love has been forthright in his personal opinions and attitudes, and has been abundantly clear in what drives his vote. His contribution isn&#8217;t at all surprising.</p>
<p> - Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Williamson</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4723</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would hope that anyone donating to a political campaign would understand that information about the donation *ought* to be public, in any properly regulated democracy, and should be willing to accept the consequences of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope that anyone donating to a political campaign would understand that information about the donation *ought* to be public, in any properly regulated democracy, and should be willing to accept the consequences of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ploum</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4722</link>
		<dc:creator>Ploum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan &#62; If the information was publicily available, there is no problem that you "forward" it. 

If people are angry at you, they should be at the first source. It's like security by obscurity : it didn't work.

Anyway, Nat and Miguel were never secret about their opinion. Robert Love try to be as neutral as possible and I like to follow his really insightful Twitter report. I'm surprised he's for McCain, in fact I never really asked myself what was his opinion. That's kinda funny :-)

But, anyway, I really hope that in the Gnome community, we can appreciate each other even if we don't agree on politic.

So, really, I appreciate your post, it's interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan &gt; If the information was publicily available, there is no problem that you &#8220;forward&#8221; it. </p>
<p>If people are angry at you, they should be at the first source. It&#8217;s like security by obscurity : it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Anyway, Nat and Miguel were never secret about their opinion. Robert Love try to be as neutral as possible and I like to follow his really insightful Twitter report. I&#8217;m surprised he&#8217;s for McCain, in fact I never really asked myself what was his opinion. That&#8217;s kinda funny <img src='http://clarkbw.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But, anyway, I really hope that in the Gnome community, we can appreciate each other even if we don&#8217;t agree on politic.</p>
<p>So, really, I appreciate your post, it&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Clark</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4721</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's interesting is that the privacy of every individual in that system has already been violated in those terms you mention.  Of course they likely didn't know it until now... which does mean something.

I spent a lot of time wondering about if I was actually calling those people out.  I didn't call out any individual who didn't write about politics, so I don't feel like I'm attacking people who quietly made their choices.  Each of them actively writes about politics in their own blogs.  That said with them as friends it was difficult to not think that I'm lifting a skirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting is that the privacy of every individual in that system has already been violated in those terms you mention.  Of course they likely didn&#8217;t know it until now&#8230; which does mean something.</p>
<p>I spent a lot of time wondering about if I was actually calling those people out.  I didn&#8217;t call out any individual who didn&#8217;t write about politics, so I don&#8217;t feel like I&#8217;m attacking people who quietly made their choices.  Each of them actively writes about politics in their own blogs.  That said with them as friends it was difficult to not think that I&#8217;m lifting a skirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4720</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's an interesting privacy question.

Votes had to be made private so that you couldn't prove you voted for someone and thus be bought off.

I wonder how long it will be until we find a union member who is harassed or ostracized because he donated to an individual the organization didn't endorse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting privacy question.</p>
<p>Votes had to be made private so that you couldn&#8217;t prove you voted for someone and thus be bought off.</p>
<p>I wonder how long it will be until we find a union member who is harassed or ostracized because he donated to an individual the organization didn&#8217;t endorse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Graveley</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4719</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Graveley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me be the first to say that calling out the contributions of individuals in a blog post feels questionable, and makes me kinda queasy.  It almost feels like a violation of privacy.  

Though I'm not sure what effect being friends with these people has on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me be the first to say that calling out the contributions of individuals in a blog post feels questionable, and makes me kinda queasy.  It almost feels like a violation of privacy.  </p>
<p>Though I&#8217;m not sure what effect being friends with these people has on me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Clark</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4718</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops!  fixed, thanks K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops!  fixed, thanks K</p>
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		<title>By: K. Ralho</title>
		<link>http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/02/25/planet-gnome-campaign-finance-report/#comment-4717</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Ralho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canonical is linking to Sun.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canonical is linking to Sun.com</p>
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