Comments on: Thunderbird Tab Session Restore http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/ Absence makes the heart grow fungus Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:48:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Tom http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6209 Tom Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:35:41 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6209 Nice. This is exactly what I am looking for. Nice. This is exactly what I am looking for.

]]> By: Aza Raskin http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6150 Aza Raskin Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:16:07 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6150 We've been thinking about the same thing for the new tab screen in Firefox: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azaraskin/2870497285/in/set-72157607361574616/ We’ve been thinking about the same thing for the new tab screen in Firefox: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azaraskin/2870497285/in/set-72157607361574616/

]]> By: Nick http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6136 Nick Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:14:55 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6136 I'm always looking for news regarding the Thunderbird. As I daily work with Thunderbird it's not only necessary but sometimes also useful to have all these features. So thanks for the news. I’m always looking for news regarding the Thunderbird. As I daily work with Thunderbird it’s not only necessary but sometimes also useful to have all these features. So thanks for the news.

]]> By: Bryan Clark http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6120 Bryan Clark Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:08:30 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6120 I don't think there's an option to use double-click on a message. Middle click on a message will be available very soon. I would look into creating an add-on for double-clicking such that you could have that functionality right away. I don’t think there’s an option to use double-click on a message. Middle click on a message will be available very soon. I would look into creating an add-on for double-clicking such that you could have that functionality right away.

]]> By: K. Jusupov http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6104 K. Jusupov Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:58:18 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6104 Guys, how do I set double-click on message to open in new tab? Guys, how do I set double-click on message to open in new tab?

]]> By: bunnyjeanne http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6068 bunnyjeanne Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:05:39 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6068 I have been using firefox for awhile now and like it very much. Still have lots to learn about all you provide. Anyhow sunday my system went down and I lost everything all my files etc. I contacted HP and they were no help. I need to get rid of a driver that's incompatible with Windows XP and am not doing it right. I had deleted it long time ago and can't remember how I did it. I am on the computer every day. I need to pull up a firefox restore point from Saturday October 19th to get my computer working right again. How do I do that. I have been using firefox for awhile now and like it very much. Still have lots to learn about all you provide. Anyhow sunday my system went down and I lost everything all my files etc.

I contacted HP and they were no help. I need to get rid of a driver that’s incompatible with Windows XP and am not doing it right. I had deleted it long time ago and can’t remember how I did it. I am on the computer every day. I need to pull up a firefox restore point from Saturday October 19th to get my computer working right again. How do I do that.

]]> By: Corinna http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6055 Corinna Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:26:27 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6055 As I daily work with Thunderbird I'm always grateful for new features like that that make working with Thunderbird even more attractive. So go on with this. As I daily work with Thunderbird I’m always grateful for new features like that that make working with Thunderbird even more attractive. So go on with this.

]]> By: Kevin Lange http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6052 Kevin Lange Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:03:28 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6052 One added benefit of a Ctrl+T page is that you don't /need/ the buttons on the right, so you can hide the tab bar when only the inbox is showing. (My most wanted change is still a Tango+GTK icon set, before that it was better GTK integration, which is why I started testing TB3 in the first place) One added benefit of a Ctrl+T page is that you don’t /need/ the buttons on the right, so you can hide the tab bar when only the inbox is showing.
(My most wanted change is still a Tango+GTK icon set, before that it was better GTK integration, which is why I started testing TB3 in the first place)

]]> By: Ninja http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6050 Ninja Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:32:05 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6050 Having killed the messagepane before, reinitializing it is pretty much impossible without a core change. Having killed the messagepane before, reinitializing it is pretty much impossible without a core change.

]]> By: Frank http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6049 Frank Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:17:28 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6049 Could anyone direct me to a nightly Lightening meant to work with TB Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/20081011 Shredder/3.0b1pre The one from comm-central has for several days simply spawned 100s of "there was an error" dialogs that require me to end TB from task manager, start TB safe, then disable Lightening. Thank you. Could anyone direct me to a nightly Lightening meant to work with TB Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/20081011 Shredder/3.0b1pre

The one from comm-central has for several days simply spawned 100s of “there was an error” dialogs that require me to end TB from task manager, start TB safe, then disable Lightening. Thank you.

]]> By: Louise http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6047 Louise Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:05:20 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6047 Can the Address Book and Composition as tab make it for TB3? My most wanted UI enhancement is by far https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945 Is that enhancement going into TB3? :) Can the Address Book and Composition as tab make it for TB3?

My most wanted UI enhancement is by far
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213945

Is that enhancement going into TB3? :)

]]> By: Ben http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6046 Ben Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:36:26 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6046 Excellent, thanks for the quick replies (to all comments, no less). Also worth pointing out as people read these comments (since I certainly hadn't known of it before) is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456814 which tracks an awful lot of useful changes being suggested... Regarding the inbox-not-closeable-by-design, I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, it makes sense that an email program ought not to close its email view. On the other hand, it's a tab... For UI reference, Songbird also has a non-closeable tab for the main library, which they distinguish by not having a close button and by coloring it differently from other tabs. Alternatively, if you do design a strong "blank page" design, you could make the mail tab closeable and display that blank-tab page if there's nothing else to display. Excellent, thanks for the quick replies (to all comments, no less). Also worth pointing out as people read these comments (since I certainly hadn’t known of it before) is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456814 which tracks an awful lot of useful changes being suggested…

Regarding the inbox-not-closeable-by-design, I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, it makes sense that an email program ought not to close its email view. On the other hand, it’s a tab… For UI reference, Songbird also has a non-closeable tab for the main library, which they distinguish by not having a close button and by coloring it differently from other tabs. Alternatively, if you do design a strong “blank page” design, you could make the mail tab closeable and display that blank-tab page if there’s nothing else to display.

]]> By: ovidiu http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6045 ovidiu Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:21:02 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6045 The close tab on inbox should only disappear when is the only tab with all folders [folderpane] in the area. That leaves me the choice to have the last tab one of the several accounts/inboxes etc there. (Today it opens and acc in another tab with the whole folderpane.) Also, drag a folder/acc in tab area to open it separately should work, like a link in FF. And having several calendar / task tabs could do also, with different views (dif months, month+week etc). But that is maybe not for you .. [note: rclick show "close tab" an all areas, on the cal icons and even in empty tab area ..] The close tab on inbox should only disappear when is the only tab with all folders [folderpane] in the area. That leaves me the choice to have the last tab one of the several accounts/inboxes etc there.

(Today it opens and acc in another tab with the whole folderpane.)

Also, drag a folder/acc in tab area to open it separately should work, like a link in FF. And having several calendar / task tabs could do also, with different views (dif months, month+week etc). But that is maybe not for you ..

[note: rclick show "close tab" an all areas, on the cal icons and even in empty tab area ..]

]]> By: Bryan Clark http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6044 Bryan Clark Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:33:57 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6044 @Dereak: yeah, we're making room in the prefs for tab options like those right now @Jigar: Calendar only? We don't support that if that's what you're looking for. @Dao: good points, we definitely don't want to bother people with the session restore tab every time. @Kevin: yep, lots of those obvious ones already have bugs opened. middle click to open a tab https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435567 can’t move tabs around ??? hmm, I thought this would have come with the tabbox for free... composer in a tab This one needs to get filed soon ctrl-t to open a tab https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458069 ctrl-w to close a tab https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408398 The Inbox is not closeable by design, otherwise you can end up with an empty window or we have to close down Thunderbird. Either way doesn't seem idea. We still need to remove the close button from the Inbox though, that would remove much of the current confusion. Speed Dial-like menu is a good idea, we're trying to figure out a blank tab page design that includes options like this. The screenshot is from Windows Vista and the icons need some work. Anyway, thanks for the support! @Ben: yes, most of the toolbars are going away when lightning finishes integration with Thunderbird. see: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454935 @Louise: Thanks! It should open new tabs to the right. There is a bug for the address book in a tab. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457270 @Laurens: There is a trick to get multiple Thunderbird windows open at the same time. I don't think we're going to take that route. Instead I think we'll be offering options in each tab to open in ( New Window ) @Dereak: yeah, we’re making room in the prefs for tab options like those right now

@Jigar: Calendar only? We don’t support that if that’s what you’re looking for.

@Dao: good points, we definitely don’t want to bother people with the session restore tab every time.

@Kevin: yep, lots of those obvious ones already have bugs opened.

middle click to open a tab
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435567

can’t move tabs around
??? hmm, I thought this would have come with the tabbox for free…

composer in a tab
This one needs to get filed soon

ctrl-t to open a tab
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458069

ctrl-w to close a tab
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408398

The Inbox is not closeable by design, otherwise you can end up with an empty window or we have to close down Thunderbird. Either way doesn’t seem idea. We still need to remove the close button from the Inbox though, that would remove much of the current confusion.

Speed Dial-like menu is a good idea, we’re trying to figure out a blank tab page design that includes options like this.

The screenshot is from Windows Vista and the icons need some work. Anyway, thanks for the support!

@Ben: yes, most of the toolbars are going away when lightning finishes integration with Thunderbird. see:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454935

@Louise: Thanks! It should open new tabs to the right. There is a bug for the address book in a tab.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457270

@Laurens: There is a trick to get multiple Thunderbird windows open at the same time. I don’t think we’re going to take that route. Instead I think we’ll be offering options in each tab to open in ( New Window )

]]> By: Laurens Holst http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6043 Laurens Holst Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:30:40 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6043 Well, just keep in mind that tabs aren’t very good for e.g. side-by-side comparisons, or if you’re writing a message while consulting another. I can open multiple windows of Firefox if I want to do that, but Thunderbird can only have 1 main window open at a time. So it is important that it will still be possible to open messages in a new window, and that preferably the other tab-functionality (calendar, search, etc.) can be too. Well, just keep in mind that tabs aren’t very good for e.g. side-by-side comparisons, or if you’re writing a message while consulting another. I can open multiple windows of Firefox if I want to do that, but Thunderbird can only have 1 main window open at a time.

So it is important that it will still be possible to open messages in a new window, and that preferably the other tab-functionality (calendar, search, etc.) can be too.

]]> By: Louise http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6042 Louise Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:04:32 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6042 Btw. I would really like to see all windows opened in tabs. That also being Preferences, Account, Add-ons, and in particular Address book. Are there a change that the Address book will be a tab? Would be very handy, when the Inbox is a tab. Btw. I would really like to see all windows opened in tabs.

That also being Preferences, Account, Add-ons, and in particular Address book.

Are there a change that the Address book will be a tab? Would be very handy, when the Inbox is a tab.

]]> By: Louise http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6041 Louise Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:56:51 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6041 It looks sweet :) I hope the tabs will behave like Google Chrome. I.e. open new tab to the right. It looks sweet :)

I hope the tabs will behave like Google Chrome. I.e. open new tab to the right.

]]> By: Ben http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6040 Ben Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:16:30 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6040 Looks like an interesting change, and likely to be very helpful -- it gives me an easy hotkey (ctrl+tab) to switch between mail and calendar that I didn't have before. Where should the toolbars go? In the default view, we have, from top to bottom: Title Menubar Mail toolbar Tab bar: [Mail | Calendar | Tasks] [tab-specific content] If you go to the calendar tab, you get Title Menubar Mail toolbar Tab bar Calendar toolbar [Calendar content] But the mail toolbar is completely unnecessary here... Seems reasonable to suggest that the mail toolbar be moved under the tab bar, and make it tab-specific content. Also, the Today pane seems to have vanished from the mail tab, regardless of the View -> Today Pane -> ... settings. Looks like an interesting change, and likely to be very helpful — it gives me an easy hotkey (ctrl+tab) to switch between mail and calendar that I didn’t have before. Where should the toolbars go? In the default view, we have, from top to bottom:

Title
Menubar
Mail toolbar
Tab bar: [Mail | Calendar | Tasks]
[tab-specific content]

If you go to the calendar tab, you get

Title
Menubar
Mail toolbar
Tab bar
Calendar toolbar
[Calendar content]

But the mail toolbar is completely unnecessary here… Seems reasonable to suggest that the mail toolbar be moved under the tab bar, and make it tab-specific content.

Also, the Today pane seems to have vanished from the mail tab, regardless of the View -> Today Pane -> … settings.

]]> By: Kevin Lange http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6039 Kevin Lange Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:08:49 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6039 A lot of the missing features are painfully obvious at this stage: Can't middle click to open in a new tab, can't move tabs around, it doesn't appear you can open the composer in a tab, and you can't close the inbox. I'd also like to see Ctrl+T for a new tab, and maybe a Speed Dial-like menu to open the inbox/other directories, a calendar, tasks view, and composer. You can also tell that the theme effects are missing, but I guess that will be worked out later (and hopefully at the same time as a full Tango+GTK theme is made?) Anyway, it looks good so far! A lot of the missing features are painfully obvious at this stage: Can’t middle click to open in a new tab, can’t move tabs around, it doesn’t appear you can open the composer in a tab, and you can’t close the inbox. I’d also like to see Ctrl+T for a new tab, and maybe a Speed Dial-like menu to open the inbox/other directories, a calendar, tasks view, and composer.
You can also tell that the theme effects are missing, but I guess that will be worked out later (and hopefully at the same time as a full Tango+GTK theme is made?)

Anyway, it looks good so far!

]]> By: ~HP http://clarkbw.net/blog/2008/10/09/thunderbird-tab-session-restore/comment-page-1/#comment-6038 ~HP Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:34:18 +0000 http://clarkbw.net/blog/?p=500#comment-6038 "there should be a preference to turn the tab-bar off. Takes up valuable space!" I agree ! “there should be a preference to turn the tab-bar off. Takes up valuable space!”

I agree !

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